Casual Dehumanization and Wickedness

[YGB]

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ICE plans to target Haitians as Temporary Protected Status is set to end - CBS

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is preparing to expand arrests and deportations of Haitian migrants as more than 300,000 Haitians brace for the loss of Temporary Protected Status (TPS), according to two agency sources and internal documents obtained by CBS News.

The plans include arrests in Ohio, including Springfield, where President Trump amplified false 2024 campaign claims that Haitians were eating pets, followed by rapid deportation flights to Haiti. The operations could begin as early as this week, though their full scope remains unclear.

The preparations follow last month’s Supreme Court ruling allowing the Trump administration to end TPS for Haitians and Syrians. The ruling’s mandate is expected to reach lower courts Monday. Once TPS expires, migrants lose work authorization and become eligible for ICE arrest and deportation unless they have another legal status, though those without removal orders are generally entitled to an immigration hearing.

The plans raise humanitarian concerns because Haiti remains largely controlled by gangs. The U.S. generally limits deportation flights to Cap-Haïtien because of insecurity in Port-au-Prince, and the State Department advises Americans not to travel to Haiti.

DHS declined to discuss future operations, calling TPS a “de facto amnesty program” and encouraging migrants to self-deport, saying they can receive a free flight home and a $2,600 payment.

The Trump administration has sought to end most TPS programs, arguing they have been extended too long and encourage illegal immigration. Haiti has had TPS since the 2010 earthquake, though many current recipients arrived under Biden-era policies. A federal judge previously found the effort to end Haiti’s TPS was partly motivated by racial animus, but the Supreme Court ruled courts cannot review TPS determinations and said Trump’s remarks were not “overtly racial.”

After scaling back large ICE operations following the January deaths of two U.S. citizens during a Minneapolis deployment, ICE has increased enforcement this summer under pressure to average 2,000 arrests per day. Last month, ICE recorded its highest monthly detainee intake of Trump’s second term, and two migrants from Mexico and Colombia were killed by agents during traffic stops in Texas and Maine.

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[YGB]

Does no one in this wicked administration care about human beings??? Does it not matter to anyone that people have built lives here? And this is from CBN, the Trump groupies who will diminish any horrors that might c"v be ascribed to the administration…

[NRosenfeld]

Not going to comment on the administration - I don’t think any of them were accused of being either מחסידי אומות העולם or חכמיהם. What’s more shameful is the way so many in our community have become supportive of this - many enthusiastically so. RMF writes that the main consideration in voting is that the nations are judged on their חסד (I am aware that others gave more weight to issues of family life). While others might - on the balance - decide to vote for the אכזרים because of other considerations, we certainly shouldn’t be cheering the אכזריות.

I think this is a very corrosive aspect of modern politics that has parallels in E’’Y. We engage with a political party because we decide that, in some aspect, their election to power will result in better policy in some area. However, that ruling coalition has a whole package that comes with it. Many people have a hard time saying, “I want party X because of A and will tolerate their stance on B with which I disagree because A is more important than B”. Instead, many people revise their view on B to agree with the party who agrees with them on A. Or, they rationalize it away as not being an issue. Thus, the spectre of many otherwise reasonable people supporting an amoral man who tried to overturn the Constitutional system and, on the other side of the aisle, some otherwise reasonable people supporting a clealy amoral person with a Nazi tattoo. They recognize that those people need to win to achieve the policies they want, so they rationalize away all of their objectionable aspects.

Similarly, in E’’Y, we have the odd situation that the segment of the religious public that is ideologically opposed to the idea of beligerence and belicosity against the nations - that accept the idea of fighting only in defense and only because the alternative is a bloodbath ח’’ו - have come to vote in a way that is indistinguishable from the far-right nationalistic parties.

I think this is extremely relevant in the context of Torah Im Derech Eretz because we need to be able to recognize what is good and what is bad in all segments of the society in whose midst we live, and intense partisan involvement is very detrimental to seeing any of it clearly.

[YGB]

By and large I agree, but I think the problem runs deeper. You see that the Charedim who are most opposed to serving in the army are at the same time the most bloodthirsty in Gaza. So I don’t think it is merely political convenience.

[Jedidjah]

Not sure if I am - as a European - allwoed to comment on this post.

1. I would disagree with the term “wicked administration”.

2. As in Europe, illegal immigration is a HUGE problem. With the numbers in the US, it is extremely difficult to find a “softer” solution (not saying it is impossible).

3. People who generally agree with Trump’s policies can still disagree with the administration about ICE or the way ICE has been instrumentalized.

4. I do not find it helpful to throw all of “MAGA” (whatever this is supposed to mean) in one basket, with a negative undertone.

[YGB]

I am very shocked. I can only assume you did not read up on the issue, otherwise I fail to see how you cannot see this as sheer wickedness.

[Jedidjah]

@YGB

read up on the issue

I did read some of it, but will read more and then re-assess my opinion.

[RA_Alpert]

One issue is that when Holocaust material is taught (if it is at all) only from the נסים והשגחה פרטית side, without much or any venturing into the politics behind the various governments and their decisions to yes or not allow Jews in, this utterly severs any parallels, something which otherwise could and should build empathy. When most yeshiva people have never heard of Laura Delano Houghteling, or her 1939 remarks about the advisability of accepting Jewish refugee children–that “20,000 charming children would all too soon grow into 20,000 ugly adults,” any feelings of relation or sympathy are aborted before they even have a chance.

[cbochnrr26]

Very sad indeed and it seems like only on this forum would such a statement NOT be removed. I wish more people understood humanity